name goods. "This is now real-time theft," Zoellick said. "A counterfeit operation can get a new design and produce copies, without regard to quality or safety, and ship them within 24 hours. And it's our small and medium-sized businesses that have been most vulnerable and least able to defend themselves." In response to a reporter's question, Hutchinson conceded the possibility that terrorist groups could be profiting from the manufacture or trade in counterfeit goods. "The focus is commercial pirated goods. I think we've also learned, though, from history that terrorists will use illegal means and other illegal enterprises to fund their activities," he said. "I know that is true in reference to drugs, illegal drugs. I know that it's been true in reference to illegal cigarettes, and so I don't think that we should be naive, that they might use other means and patterns of smuggling contraband."